Yay that you liked it! I liked it too. More than last week's actually.
it is also an iconic part of her character: the isolated one, the one everyone leaves Yes! As I said elsewhere, I think we had a very honest, real Lana in this episode. It explored her iconic attributes, but in a very real way.
Lana doesn't get what she most desires Oh yes! I hadn't made the connection to the other eps quite so clearly, but you're so right.
He made that lovely speech and she still stole his Porsche. That's cold, but in a way I really loved. Oh I LOVED that scene. I got this inkling she wasn't buying it and she played it really well. Of course it was the junkie stereotype (never turn your back on them) but I also like that it's going to be like that with these two--they each have a hidden darkside that could strike out.
Bring on the mutual manipulation!! Heh, yes! And let it be HOT. (It so will be!)
the fact that Clark's vision contained true information makes the "wish fulfillment" interpretation less likely Yes, I figured people would say that. For me though, as LaT has posted, Void actually solidified in my mind that vision!Lillian is a projection. And I very much read Jonathan as a projection too. The question is then raised about how Jonathan could pass on this information, but even that, at a stretch, could be argued as Clark's subconscious telling him what he could easily know to be true. Clark has seemed so oblivious to Lionel, but the signs have been there. He has long feared how much the Luthors know about him, but he's repressed this knowledge, fearing even to confront it. I can understand that only through projecting his fears onto Jonathan--having vision!Jonathan say it--would Clark be able to confront and believe the idea that Lionel really does know his secret.
Having said all that, I actually think the readings remain very blurry--neither the literal or the subconscious explain everything, so I think it's helpful to explore both. I don't mean to sound like I'm sitting on the fence on this one: I just honestly think the show is deliberately leaving ambiguity about the nature of the afterlife and the characters' relationships with it.
I KNEW he was Chloe's secret source! I knew it! Mionel AND Chlionel, baby, I'm in heaven! Hee! I love how happy you are about this ep. I get a kick out of people not simply following the tide of opinion, and I enjoyed this ep myself. But I did think of you! It had all your things! (And I also figured Lionel was Chloe's source and had a squee moment when proven right.)
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it is also an iconic part of her character: the isolated one, the one everyone leaves
Yes! As I said elsewhere, I think we had a very honest, real Lana in this episode. It explored her iconic attributes, but in a very real way.
Lana doesn't get what she most desires
Oh yes! I hadn't made the connection to the other eps quite so clearly, but you're so right.
He made that lovely speech and she still stole his Porsche. That's cold, but in a way I really loved.
Oh I LOVED that scene. I got this inkling she wasn't buying it and she played it really well. Of course it was the junkie stereotype (never turn your back on them) but I also like that it's going to be like that with these two--they each have a hidden darkside that could strike out.
Bring on the mutual manipulation!!
Heh, yes! And let it be HOT. (It so will be!)
the fact that Clark's vision contained true information makes the "wish fulfillment" interpretation less likely
Yes, I figured people would say that. For me though, as LaT has posted, Void actually solidified in my mind that vision!Lillian is a projection. And I very much read Jonathan as a projection too. The question is then raised about how Jonathan could pass on this information, but even that, at a stretch, could be argued as Clark's subconscious telling him what he could easily know to be true. Clark has seemed so oblivious to Lionel, but the signs have been there. He has long feared how much the Luthors know about him, but he's repressed this knowledge, fearing even to confront it. I can understand that only through projecting his fears onto Jonathan--having vision!Jonathan say it--would Clark be able to confront and believe the idea that Lionel really does know his secret.
Having said all that, I actually think the readings remain very blurry--neither the literal or the subconscious explain everything, so I think it's helpful to explore both. I don't mean to sound like I'm sitting on the fence on this one: I just honestly think the show is deliberately leaving ambiguity about the nature of the afterlife and the characters' relationships with it.
I KNEW he was Chloe's secret source! I knew it! Mionel AND Chlionel, baby, I'm in heaven!
Hee! I love how happy you are about this ep. I get a kick out of people not simply following the tide of opinion, and I enjoyed this ep myself. But I did think of you! It had all your things! (And I also figured Lionel was Chloe's source and had a squee moment when proven right.)