taraljc"just posted a fairly substantial review, too, though I don't think she liked the film as much as either of us did.
I saw it, but her experience of the film was so radically different from mine, and her frame of reference for that experience so unlike mine (I love the Donner movie, too, but I don't think it's flawless, I've always had issues with Reeve's Clark and there are aspects of Kidder's Lois that I actively dislike), that trying to engage about it would probably lead to frustration for both of us. Her reaction is what it is, but it's one I can't relate to enough to be able to have a fruitful convo, I don't think.
I'd really like to see the deleted scenes from this, because the farm stuff was definitely was my favorite part of the film.
I have the visual guide to the movie, and I've seen a couple of BTS specials on it now, so I know for a fact that there was more of Clark sort of ... ruminating to himself about what he was going to do now that he's back. For example, there's a sequence where he goes into the barn and finds that Martha has saved five years' worth of DPs for him so he can catch up on everything that happened while he was away. *That* scene is actually where he first encounters Lois' 'Why the World Doesn't Need Superman" article. And at least one of the trailers suggests that his conversation with Martha was longer than what's actually in the movie, because Eva Marie Saint had the lines "Your father used to say you were put here for a purpose" and "The world can always use more good reporters"; I suspect Martha and Clark discussed what he was going to do with himself, and she's the one who suggested he try to get his old job back.
Now. I can see why some of that stuff was cut: no matter how good an actor someone is, people get nervous about the idea of asking audiences to watch someone think to themselves for longer than a minute or two and that material probably comprised four or five minutes of screentime. But personally, I wouldn't have minded seeing more of Clark, in the wake of initially reading Lois' article, struggling *himself* with the question of does he even need to put the suit back on, does the world need him.
The only thing I can think for the shortening of Clark and Martha's conversation is they preferred the impact of Clark just walking back into the DP rather than letting us know beforehand that he was going to go back and then showing him going back. Still, like you, I really liked the farm scenes and one of the genuine complaints I have about the movie *is* that there's arguably not enough of Clark. Had the longer farm sequence(s) been kept in, I probably wouldn't have that problem. Like I said, I can understand nervousness about asking people to watch an actor think for 4-6 minutes. But I hope those sequences are on the DVD set.
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I saw it, but her experience of the film was so radically different from mine, and her frame of reference for that experience so unlike mine (I love the Donner movie, too, but I don't think it's flawless, I've always had issues with Reeve's Clark and there are aspects of Kidder's Lois that I actively dislike), that trying to engage about it would probably lead to frustration for both of us. Her reaction is what it is, but it's one I can't relate to enough to be able to have a fruitful convo, I don't think.
I'd really like to see the deleted scenes from this, because the farm stuff was definitely was my favorite part of the film.
I have the visual guide to the movie, and I've seen a couple of BTS specials on it now, so I know for a fact that there was more of Clark sort of ... ruminating to himself about what he was going to do now that he's back. For example, there's a sequence where he goes into the barn and finds that Martha has saved five years' worth of DPs for him so he can catch up on everything that happened while he was away. *That* scene is actually where he first encounters Lois' 'Why the World Doesn't Need Superman" article. And at least one of the trailers suggests that his conversation with Martha was longer than what's actually in the movie, because Eva Marie Saint had the lines "Your father used to say you were put here for a purpose" and "The world can always use more good reporters"; I suspect Martha and Clark discussed what he was going to do with himself, and she's the one who suggested he try to get his old job back.
Now. I can see why some of that stuff was cut: no matter how good an actor someone is, people get nervous about the idea of asking audiences to watch someone think to themselves for longer than a minute or two and that material probably comprised four or five minutes of screentime. But personally, I wouldn't have minded seeing more of Clark, in the wake of initially reading Lois' article, struggling *himself* with the question of does he even need to put the suit back on, does the world need him.
The only thing I can think for the shortening of Clark and Martha's conversation is they preferred the impact of Clark just walking back into the DP rather than letting us know beforehand that he was going to go back and then showing him going back. Still, like you, I really liked the farm scenes and one of the genuine complaints I have about the movie *is* that there's arguably not enough of Clark. Had the longer farm sequence(s) been kept in, I probably wouldn't have that problem. Like I said, I can understand nervousness about asking people to watch an actor think for 4-6 minutes. But I hope those sequences are on the DVD set.