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norwich36 ([personal profile] norwich36) wrote2010-04-15 10:33 pm
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SPN 100

I actually only have a couple brief comments about SPN: Point of No Return.

1. Castiel, BADASS MOTHERFUCKER FTW! Holy crap, he was amazing in this episode, what with all the smiting of angels and kicking Dean's ass and then drawing the banishing symbol ON HIS OWN CHEST. Oh yeah baby. Also I kind of love the parallelism that just as he let Sam out of the safe room last year, he did the same for Dean this year (albeit inadvertantly).

2. Bobby was also completely badass. When he pulled out his gun and his bullet and talked about thinking every day that he was going to finally put the bullet in his head but he didn't because he promised Dean he wouldn't, I cheered. I was so pissed at Dean throughout 90% of this episode, but it really helped that everyone was calling him on his emo despair bullshit.

3. ADAM. Poor Adam, missing his mom and jealous of the Winchester dysfunction because it would have been better than being alone. *Pets him* Honey, you really don't know how good you had it, but wow did you pay a high price for it--not one but two completely ugly deaths without rescue from the Winchesters.

I felt so bad that he finally got a chance to meet Sam and Dean but the circumstances were such that he couldn't get to know them, really. And damn, is it wrong that I was kind of hoping that he was going to get to keep his illusions about the angels? I mean, poor kid--first you're told you're going to save the world, then you're just bait. OUCH.

4. SAM!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, God, Sam! I love how he was the only one holding it together (albeit barely) and keeping fast to his faith in Dean even when Dean revealed he was convinced Sam was going to give into Lucifer. I have NEVER wanted to hit Dean more (and hug Sam more) than in that scene, but I was so proud that Sam didn't despair after that, and he instead chose to put his faith in Dean even when Castiel and Bobby didn't.

5. The Castiel/Dean breakup!!! OMG! First we have textual acknowledgment of the eyefucking (I didn't get the exact quote--what was it, "the last person who looked at me like that I slept with" or something like that?), then the fight in the alley, and then Castiel telling Dean he doesn't have faith in him anymore? That's practically textual acknowledgment they had been in a relationship! And yet the Sam/Dean side gets textual acknowledgment too, what with Zachariah going on to Adam about Sam and Dean's codependent, practically erotic relationship and then Sam and Dean basically ending up together again at the end.


6. Dean, I swear to God I wanted to slap you upside the head most of the episode (with additional kicking in the scene where you told Sam you were sure he'd say yes to Lucifer), but I did kind of love your insistence on sacrificing yourself rather than Adam. Fortunately the combination of killing Zachariah and apologizing to Sam put you back in my good graces, which is a relief to me. I am more of a Dean girl than anything else, so it hurts me when you are acting like a completely selfish jerk, massive depression or no.

7. Zachariah: never has someone deserved death more, but I kind of wish Michael would resurrect you so you could be killed about a million more times. On the other hand, that opening scene in the bar was kind of gruesomely funny, though I felt really bad for the other unemployed guy and the bartender.

8. The Green Room was in Van Nuys? I don't know why, but that completely cracked me up.

9. POOR ADAM. I'm really hoping he just died-and-went-to-heaven again, and didn't get totally extinguished or something. It's hardly his fault that he was a pawn in a Zachariah scheme. (Or maybe Michael actually did take him as a vessel? I don't know if that would be better or worse). I'm really sorry they didn't save him, though.

Ok, I guess I had more to say than I thought!

[identity profile] serrico.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
Item 1: YES, INDEED. As soon as he pulled out the exacto knife, I knew there would be badassery. And then there WAS! *starry eyes*

Item 4: Sam is love. I know that's supposed to be attributed to God or whatever, but frankly? Sam is love *more*.

Item 5: They could not have made that alley fight more conducive to re-appropriation and -contextualising in vids. *glee*

Item 6: I think sometimes Dean should be made to let the lineup of people who want to crack him a good one across the face do so. He can be very very obtuse when he swims in his emo.

[identity profile] norwich36.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I cannot agree with you more about Sam being love (MORE). Though as I said, the end of the episode significantly reduced my desire to hit Dean.

This episode is going to send all the Dean/Castiel folks in the fandom over the moon, I'm sure.

[identity profile] yaycoffee.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 05:50 am (UTC)(link)
This episode ruled so hard! Stuff actually happened and things. And, all the badassery was just so... beautiful :-)

[identity profile] norwich36.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
YES! They definitely did not disappoint!

[identity profile] mahaliem.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 06:53 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! Castiel is such a BAMF. God breaks his heart. Dean breaks his heart. Yet he still fights and bleeds for the Winchesters.

Also, I sincerely hope we haven't seen the last of Adam.

[identity profile] norwich36.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 02:46 pm (UTC)(link)
At least half the reviews I read last night seemed to think Michael did in fact possess Adam, so maybe he will be back in some capacity.

I have to say, the Castiel of last night was probably my favorite version of Castiel from the whole 2 seasons he's been on.
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[identity profile] bientot.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 07:56 am (UTC)(link)
#5 - I believe the line was, 'The last time someone looked at me like that, I got laid.' Indeed.

[identity profile] norwich36.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

[identity profile] justforspite.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't really see how Dean was being selfish.

He went into the future and saw the world was destroyed. He found out God says to fight amongst yourselves. Everyone around him is dropping off like flies. He honestly feels like an ant against the underside of a shoe and the heaven ep just reinforced his sense that Sam is happiest when he leaves so Dean reads that as he'd somehow, willingly go and accept Lucifer.

Of course, the crux of this entire ep was rekindling his faith in Sam.

Getting his faith back in Sam allows Dean to get faith back in himself and that's the linchpin and I'm glad they played it that way. If Dean can honestly believe his brother is 100% by his side [in the face of Bobby ready to shoot him over a zombie and Cas kicking his ass and having no faith] the only person standing in the gap is Sam, as it should be. Dean only feels he has worth as a person is if he's living for someone else. That's just who he is. If he can't live for Sam then he'll die for humanity as Michael.

[identity profile] norwich36.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 02:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately I don't have time today to go into the lengthy reason why I think Dean was being selfish, so I'll go with the short version: When Cas and Bobby were in similar situations to the one he is in, he emotionally blackmailed them to stay (granted this is really more Bobby than Cas, but he did convince Cas to give up everything he had to join in the fight), so for him to give up now when he's in their situation strikes me as deeply selfish. And yes, I understand that he is probably clinically depressed, but that really doesn't affect my reading of his actions.

[identity profile] justforspite.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Their situations are vastly different. Dean is faced with the fact that by -not- giving in, he would be the reason for the end of the world. Bobby was feeling suicidal because he was in a wheelchair. If he committed suicide, the repercussions would be all his. With Cas, Castiel was playing both sides of the fence when he finally gave up everything and joined in the fight with Dean and Sam. He saw with his own eyes that what Heaven was asking of him went against everything he believed [asking him to release Sam from the panic room being one of them] Contrast that with Dean who has been looking for an alternate solution to saying Yes to Michael and they're getting to the point where there just aren't any solutions and he knows, from his trip into the future, that at some point the angels just stop listening. He knows he's on a countdown but he doesn't know when that will end. That's the pressure he's under and I can't see it as selfish when the converse of his actions can be seen in a more intense light, i.e. because he wanted to stay "Dean" and not have an angel use his skin, he damned humanity to annihilation. He has to operate with both weighing on him.

I believe, however, that in this journey he's going on that he's found his solution, first with the whore of babylon ep where they were told only a servant of heaven could kill her and Dean was able to do so and then last night when he iced Zachariah when we've been told only an angel can kill another angel. So the show is showing us that Dean is able to or will be able to kill Lucifer all on his own when the time comes but he has to take this journey to do so.

[identity profile] norwich36.livejournal.com 2010-04-19 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
For Dean's action not to be reasonable, we have to believe that his actions would actually save humanity. But he doesn't (or didn't, before giving in to despair) really believe that--that's why he's been resisting. Zachariah is on record as saying what the earth needs is a planetary enema. The world is going to be destroyed regardless of who's running the apocalypse; the only real choice is to prevent it.

(But even were that not true, I still think a self-sacrificing act to save someone can still be selfish if (a) it's going to violate previous commitments that you've made--that was actually what I was getting at with the Bobby and Castiel examples; having persuaded them to join Team Free Will, Dean has a moral commitment to them not to give up or (b) if it's going to relieve your personal pain only to cause pain to others. The best example of this, I think, is Dean selling his soul for Sam (and John selling her soul for Dean, and Mary selling Sam for John): all (except Mary) self sacrificing acts that were also selfish in that it just shifted the pain of loss from one party to another.

But I expect no amount of arguing is going to convince you that Dean was being selfish or me that he wasn't, so I think we should leave it at that.

[identity profile] justforspite.livejournal.com 2010-04-19 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
I wasn't arguing, sorry you thought this was arguiing

[identity profile] norwich36.livejournal.com 2010-04-23 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry. I was in a crappy mood much of last week, and apparently let it spill over into episode discussion in ways that were more projection than anything.

[identity profile] shopgirl318.livejournal.com 2010-04-18 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! Awesome review! I agree with all your points.
1. yes, Castiel was wielding that knife all Dean and Buffy like. I was like wow! What do they teach in heavan?!?!

4. Sam, is love I have been saying that since the second half of season 5 started. I have hoppe for Sam.

5. Word on both couts of Castiel/Dean and Sam/Dean. LOL at Zachariah "Practically Erotic Relationship." I have been saying this since season 2. C/D the looks Casitel was giving Dean was that of a scorned lover + plus I still love you and I want to stab you in the face at the same time. I don't ship these 2 but this episode makes me want to.

6. I love Dean I really do, but i just wanted smack him repeatedly across the face. Superficial note! I loved the wink he gave to Sam at the end of the episode! I see that he is starting to get his crazy mojo back.

7. Yes! again Zachariah is just whistling, and the poor guy was on the table with his eyes burned out. It was morbid and funny! good job supernatural! another A for effort!

9. Adam was given a raw deal. I am surprised they brought him back I didn't know anything about this, did you? you read spoilers?

[identity profile] norwich36.livejournal.com 2010-04-19 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't read spoilers, so I had no idea Adam was going to be back. I wonder if he's going to be back again as Michael?

Lots of people are saying they're going to miss Zachariah since they loved to hate him. I wouldn't go that far, but that was a morbidly funny scene in the bar.

I do feel that that wink was Dean moving out of despair and into hope.

[identity profile] shopgirl318.livejournal.com 2010-04-19 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with your last statement too. It is like he looked at Sam and had some kind of weird epiphany.

[identity profile] chatchien.livejournal.com 2010-04-18 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
Zachariah going on to Adam about Sam and Dean's codependent, practically erotic relationship

I am going to go with NEUROTICALLY there. Zachariah might have said it, but nope, I am not going there. But then, I know nothing of Angel Love.

I got a weird vibe off of Dean in the episode. And Mr. Ackles is too good an actor for that to be a mistake. Something did happen in that episode, but I'll wait and see.

[identity profile] norwich36.livejournal.com 2010-04-19 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
The closed captioning said "erotically," so I think that's the actual word!

There are some people theorizing that Michael actually did take control of Dean when he said yes--if that's what you mean by a weird vibe.