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SPN: In the Beginning

Dear Castiel,

I know you told Dean that destiny is fixed, and there is nothing he could have done to change the past, and you know what? I think you are a LYING LIAR THAT LIES and also a sadistic bastard who used time travel to make Dean set up the situation he was most desperate to avoid. You FUCKING FUCKER. You are not giving me a good opinion of God in this universe, or whoever the hell it is you really represent.

Dear Mary,

Oh, Mary. So beautiful and doomed. How amused the writers must be by the Wincest, to have your son talking about how hot you are and to have the canonical father-daughter kiss-via-demon. How tragic yet appropriate that your sons are going to be the very thing you hope to avoid being--and not only will they be hunters (the best damn hunters ever), but Sammy is going to completely follow in your path and get more ensnared in the life the more he tries to escape it. Just like both John and Dean will imitate you by making deals with demons to save the family members they love. Oh, my heart breaks for you.

Dear Samuel,

Damn. You are a kickass hunter and deserved a better ending. I really wish you could have lived to see what your son-in-law became. Ok, maybe not because then you would have had to see your daughter die, but I hope you and John are at least drinking and sharing hunting tales in the afterlife. Also, while you don't make quite as cute of a priest as the grandson who is your namesake, I still thought that scene was too adorable for words.

Dear Deanna,

We didn't see quite as much of you as we did of your husband, but what we did see ROCKED THE HOUSE. You are assertive and smart and take-charge and clearly a hunter in your own right, and you deserved a better death, but I'm really glad your daughter named her first son after you.

Dear John,

OH MY GOD. You are even cuter when you are young than when you are Jeffrey Dean Morgan, and I didn't think that was possible. And I love that even after the horrors of war you still have hope for the future. It's really fun to have the fanon stereotypes overturned that way. I just wish Mary had TALKED TO YOU FOR GOD'S SAKE SO YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE PREPARED, DAMMIT. I couldn't believe Azazel actually killed you, though. That broke my heart a little, even though I knew it couldn't be permanent.

Dear Sam,

How have you managed to be the only member of your family not to have made a very bad deal with a demon to save someone's life? Oh, wait, is that's what's going on with Ruby? Kind of? Let me tell you, this never ends well.

Dear Dean Van Halen,

You ROCK, sir, like your namesake. Thank God you were able to stop your dad from buying the VW bus. So sorry you couldn't stop the rest of it, but angels are right bastards, aren't they? Smart move to get the Colt, though I wonder how on earth it made it back to Elkins when the Campbells were dead. I won't fault you for not recognizing Azazel in your grandad, since you didn't know him well enough, but dammit! You really need to find some anti-demon telekinesis spell; that keeps getting you every time.

Dear Azazel,

DAMMIT WHAT IS YOUR ENDGAME? I have a Colt and I'm not afraid to use it!

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What you said about Castiel setting Dean up? Yeah, that's what makes the most sense to me, too. Little things like Dean being the person to make John decide to buy the Impala say to me that Dean actually helped create the original Winchester timeline -- Castiel's time travel is the reason that the demon noticed Mary and the reason that Sam got picked.

Yeah--a lot of the rest of it can be handwaved, but if Dean didn't go back in time, the Winchesters would have been hunting in a VW bus. (Which probably would have been more practical, but not nearly as cool).

My theory (completely unspoiled and all) is that Azazel too was preparing for the Apocalypse? It would make sense (somehow, in my head).

Yeah, that must be what they're implying--but how, precisely? (And does he take into account Dean's threat, now that he knows about it? I think it would actually be really cool if Azazel managed to resurrect himself somehow this season).

*flail*

Mary is a badass hunter! They're Skinner's grandchildren! She makes A FUCKING DEAL!

Obviously the apocalypse requires both Sam and Dean for all the trouble the angels and the demons are going to to set it up.

Mary saying she doesn't want her kids raised into this: Man, way to twist the knife.

Yeah, that was a painful moment. But it really just showed the parallel to Sam's own attempt at normal, doesn't it? So Sam got his Mom's dreams but his dad's obsession with vengeance, while Dean got John (and Samuel the elder)'s drive to hunt and John and Mary's penchant for making deals with demons to save family members.

Oh, Winchesters. You are merely pawns in the game of ~~life~~ apocalypse.

Well, yeah. Once you're in it, you can never be normal again, especially not if you're part of Azazel's breeding program.

I wonder how much Dean is driven to hunt and how much it's just the only thing he really knows. I also wonder how SkinnerSam (I wonder if he liked being in Vancouver again?) became a hunter. (Assuming, of course, that he was a hunter and brought Deana into it, rather than the other way around.)

And, well, this whole family is kind of messed up when it comes to making deals. STOP IT. IT ONLY ENDS BADLY.

Well, I agree that dealmaking ends badly--but sometimes the alternative is worse. If Mary hadn't made the deal, after all, not only would John have stayed dead but Dean and Sam would never have been born. So her deal, anyway, had the best result of all three of them. Well, if you overlook the small fact that it may have led Sam to become the antichrist or whatever is being foreshadowed here.

Oh, yeah, the Antichrist, just a minor detail.

...because I can't just hold on to it and write it all at once, I have to blurt things out as I think of them:

Serious question: Did John ever figure out that Mary made a deal and/or that she was a hunter?

Bitchy question: What the hell is up with Sam's hair this season? Seriously, boy, invest in some shampoo and a haircut.

The best story here would be that the angels want Dean working for them and Sam dead, the demons want Sam working for them and Dean dead, and the way they save the world is to ignore both sides and work together to find their own way out of it. Alternatively: Sam has the choice to be Christ or the Antichrist.

I can't imagine that John knew about Mary's deal with the YED, but I wonder if he figured out, later on, that she was a hunter. If you look at

kroki_refur's episode review of doom (http://kroki-refur.livejournal.com/234806.html#cutid1) for this week, about halfway down she has screenshots of the journal entries John made about people visited by the demon. And if he knew about Mary's friend, surely he put two and two together about the mysterious deaths of her parents on the same day?

I agree with you about Sam and Dean ignoring both sides and finding their own way out of it. Brothers v. cosmos; I know who I'm rooting for.

The John in my head sees only what he wants to see when it comes to these kinds of things and never put two and two together even though he had all of the evidence. The John of the show probably did put something together, and we know he wasn't necessarily big on telling Sam and Dean everything he knew.

Also, re the episode review of doom: I totally had the Tom Welling thought, too, and I don't even watch SV.

Yes, that is a vision of the apocalypse I can totally get behind.

And I really love Mary the badass hunter. This episode better produce a LOT of AU fic, that's all that I can say.

Man, Mary the hunter. What if Mary hadn't died? The djinn's version of that wish coming true might have been made only with information pulled from Dean's mind. Imagine: Mary the hunter remembers what Dean said or doesn't wake up in the first place and never interrupts Azazel, so she gets to live. Then Sammy starts developing powers somewhere along the way - he's always been her special baby anyway - and eventually she recognizes that they're powers and not just a little boy's imagination. And then she has to tell her beloved John, who she loves because he's so normal and good even though he was in the war, the truth about the world. Would that John become a hunter with her to protect their children or would he freak out and disbelieve?

I think Mary could have convinced him. The Winchester family hunters would be an AWESOME AU.

It would be. Except I keep thinking the hilarious version where they're like, "Now that we've salted and burned the bones, you boys have algebra homework to do."

I am now required by law to rec you my favorite "Mary is a hunter AU." Actually it is my favorite AU in the whole fandom: http://ignipes.livejournal.com/79053.html

Dude. That is awesome. The best part is: "Okay. I'll call Dean. We'll take care of it."

I know!!!I kind of wish someone would remix that story and let us get to see Sam's POV, or what happened--but in the story itself just that one line is totally awesome.

Though I'm also very fond of Mary telling her she always wanted a girl, but instead she "just got stuck with two dirty, noisy, clumsy, oafish, ravenous, messy--"

Jess begins to smile.

"--oversized, grubby, loud-mouthed, uncouth boys who take after their father entirely too much and have never gone a single day of their lives without muddy shoes." I really thought either Sam or Dean must have wandered into the kitchen for her to go into that level of detailed complaint!

And God, I am a complete and total sucker for "Jess lives" AUs.

Edited 2008-10-04 03:31 (UTC)

I was expecting them to be in the kitchen too!

Really not loving angels right now.

God has a list entitled 100 ways to fuck with Dean Winchester, yes?

That complements well the Trickster’s list, “100 ways to kill Dean Winchester.”

Poor Dean :(

Everyone has it in for him. But when your beloved brother is the Anti-Christ, life is guaranteed to get a little hairy

Hee!!!

I rewatched yesterday, and the scene that caught my attention is when Dean's in the car with Castiel. Castiel says that if he changes things, then all the people they save will die, and Dean says he cares a lot, but this is his family. Because your commentary about this week's Sarah Connor Chronicles was all about the one versus the many, I thought, "That's it. That's the test." Maybe it was only partly about giving Dean information and partly about testing him to see what he'll do when given the choice. I wouldn't be surprised if the angels were hoping his time in hell would have changed him enough to choose the world over Sam this time around.

Well, if that's the case they picked the wrong guy, because Dean will always make the quintessential Winchester choice of choosing family over everyone else. (Though honestly? It's a false choice. There's nothing to prevent the Winchesters from hunting if the YED is killed early--and arguably if the YED isn't able to carry out his plan the world would be better off.)

Well, yeah, but that doesn't mean they won't test him. Maybe they're hoping he'll change. (Maybe the angels want Lucifer released. How else can they get to him to take him down once and for all?)

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