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I was going to go on a rant about some recent Star Trek fic I've been reading, since it seems to lack knowledge of the original series by populating Star Fleet Academy (or Earth in general) with aliens that seem very unlikely to me. But maybe in my two viewings of the new movie, I'm just missing something? So before I rant, a poll, behind a cut since I suppose it is slightly spoilery for the movie--and I expect the comments to be very spoilery:

So did the Federation make peace with the Klingons when I wasn't paying attention? I suppose, in theory, first contact with the Romulans may have come earlier because of the events of ST:XI, but I don't remember anything about the Klingons. Yet I've been reading Star Trek fic and they're all over the place on Earth--even in Star Fleet Academy!--and it's driving me crazy. So am I misremembering something, or is the movie just drawing a lot of new fans totally ignorant of TOS canon?

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And have we come to a consensus about how we're abbreviating this movie yet? Because delicious certainly doesn't think so, and apparently I am obsessive enough about my tags that this is driving me crazy. I know I already asked this a couple weeks ago, but I didn't really get a lot of responses.

I did a thoroughly unscientific examination of the tags on about seven stories related to the new film that were each saved by at least 20 people, and found there is still a lot of disagreement. "Star Trek" is the most common tag, but not very helpful in distinguishing this Trek from other incarnations. The most common tags I found were Star Trek:XI (24 uses), Star Trek: Reboot (20 uses); Star Trek: 09 (7 uses); Star Trek: AOS (which I believe stands for Alternate Original Series) (3 uses); and newtrek (2 uses).

What do you think, oh fandom?

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The alien that I saw in a fic that threw me was dealings with the Ferengi (not one in Starfleet, just even knowledge of their existence), which - didn't we meet them in TNG? I mean, it's been awhile since I saw that, but I vaguely recall it, and Wil Wheaton mentioned it in one of his blog posts recently.

I have no idea what we're using for abbreviations. I keep seeing new ones. I hope we settle soon, because I'm getting confused. :-)

Yeah, I thought that the TNG meeting was a first contact one, too, though I suppose lots of first contact scenarios may have been hosed by the movie. Aliens encountered in TNG and later seem unlikely, but not nearly as unlikely as ones that in TOS canon the Federation is at war/ at cold war with.

BTW, as far as the Klingons and Romulans go, I chose the first option for both, but I'd say it's not an all-out declared war so much as a cold war with each.

Oh, yeah, that's really what I meant, since it was supposed to mirror 1960s earth.

Tellarites and Andorians are the likeliest, them being founding members and all. I don't think the Cardassians would have made first contact at this point, but the first time they did it was hostile, so very unlikely. Betazed is very close to Vulcan, so it's possible. In the original timeline, they didn't officially join the Federation until around the time of the first Trek movie, but with the Reboot, that could have changed. So they're a little more likely. If you REALLY want to throw a monkey wrench into things, you could have the Bajorans there (it is pre-Cardassian invasion, so they'd probably be interested).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Trill involved in the Fleet. They were definitely around in TOS timeline. Emony and Bones after all. Plus that'd be FUN. *G*

I would have said no Cardassians, but I'm pretty sure I remember a throw-away line about them in the movie. That said, it'd be weird for them to have much peaceful contact with the Federation.

-M.

Indeed, a drink called a Cardassian Sunset got mentioned. It threw me for a huge loop since the Federation was only recently supposed to have made regular contact with the Cardassians in TNG. That, and everyone knows that no one else in the universe can stomach Cardassian drinks. :P

Edited 2009-05-26 02:08 (UTC)

Yeah, I think Betazoids and Trill seem most arguable, of the new aliens introduced in TNG, for the reasons you mentioned.

Bajorans would be very interesting in this timeline--though really I only mentioned Bajorans and Cardassians because of the "Cardassian sunset," and I suppose that could theoretically be named after their star rather than being an authentic Cardassian drink.

Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites, and Alpha Centaurians are reasonable since they were founding members, along with Earth. TOS did say that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet, which got canon-raped in Enterprise, and who the fuck knows with the reboot; however, there were definitely more background aliens on the Starfleet ships in the movie than in TOS, so I think they're trying to go with making Starfleet seem more inclusive, which would make more sense, anyway.

We know there was an Orion in the Academy in the reboot, so that's canon, at least. Betazed is within Dominion strike range of the five founding members, so it's well possible it's part of the Federation by the 23rd century. Emony Dax had a thing with McCoy, so presumably Trill are possible as well. I don't think we've ever heard the details of when the Bolians joined the Federation, so who knows with them?

I'd be highly suspect of Cardassians, although Tobin Dax knew some Cardassian exiles on Vulcan, and that would have been roughly contemporaneous with TOS. I don't see why the fuck they'd be joining Starfleet, though, unless Nero decided to attack Cardassia Prime with a Fluffy Puppy Ray that turned the entire population into everyone's best friend. They were still fairly unknown and hostile in TNG, after all. Ferenginar is on the far side of Cardassia from the founding members, and there was no contact with the Ferengi until TNG, so they're out. Bajor is past both Cardassia Prime and Ferenginar, so I wouldn't buy Bajorians without some major canon-wanking on the part of the author.

Klingons and Romulans should, theoretically, still both have their own fleets, even in the AU, so I can't think why the fuck they'd be in Starfleet. The relationships between the empires are dicier, though. Everyone in the reboot knew that Romulans and Vulcans were related and that Nero was a Romulan, so it's possible that there was more Federation/Romulan contact and/or hostility in the reboot, as opposed to TOS where no one in the Federation had even seen a Romulan. If something did break out, it's possible the Klingons would take advantage of that. So, while TOS had more of a Cold War between the Federation and the Klingons and Romulans, I could maybe buy that that would be more of an active war in the reboot.

So, in conclusion, there are totally Borg in Starfleet in the reboot, OMG!

Awesome. I love that you know all the planetary locations, since I consider myself a mildish Trek nerd and couldn't have come up with most of that.

So Betazoids and Trill, but not Cardassians, Bajorans or Ferengi.

(And I guess I really meant a cold war between the Klingons and Federation--same with Romulans. I was imprecise in the poll).

Are you kidding about the Borg, by the way? You must be, right?

I suppose others are right, and we might have seen a wider variety, but I'm going to be strict on the Bajoran and Cardassian thing, since they are the frontier of the universe, right? It will be awhile before they even reach that far. Ferengi are a definite no, too. Klingons and Romulans shouldn't be hanging around on Earth. At all. The "Cardassian Sunset" threw me for a loop, as did the Orion girl. Either Kirk and Uhura have a crap memory, or things have changed, and the Orions are on good enough terms with Starfleet to get members in. In any case, I have a hard time seeing Cardassians enrolling in Starfleet in the time of DS9, let alone in the time of New Trek (I'll go with that until someone decides).

Most of the speculation I've seen about the Orion cadet is that she was a runaway/refugee. Although I've also seen somewhere that Enterprise (the series I didn't watch!) posited Orion women weren't really slaves, that it was a matriarchal society and the whole "slavery" thing was a massive ruse.

I agree with you about the Cardassian Sunset, though.

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