Another thought about "free to be you and me"

[norwich36]

I had another thought about last night's episode.

Raphael is trying to sell Castiel on the idea that Lucifer must be the one that raised him, since God is dead. But even excluding the question of when he would have had time for that (wasn't he busy getting raised and then finding his vessel at the time Castiel would have been resurrected?), Castiel strongly implied--and it makes sense--that the same person raised him and put Dean and Sam on that plane. And we know from Lucifer's conversation with Sam last night that the last thing Lucifer would want to do is remove Sam, his proper vessel, from his orbit. So that seems to me a strong argument that it wasn't Lucifer. 1

I still would prefer it turn out to be the Trickster, or Anna, or some other player than God, though, just to make things a little interesting. I don't mind if God eventually shows up, but I just think having other players involved would be fun.

1. It's true he might have been trying to protect his vessel from damage that might come from seeing his true form, but surely he could have beamed them to a more confined space where he would have been assured access to them if that was the case. At least, that's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

Comments

[lola-thursday.livejournal.com]

Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking as well! Up until yesterday's episode, I was quite convinced it was Lucifer that raised at least Castiel. But now that they've called it out as an overt possibility so soon, combined with the fact that, in the same episode, we found out fairly clearly, that Lucifer would have wanted Sam inside that church... now it seems like there's some other explanation for all three of them surviving in tact.

It's funny, I had the trickster in my mind last night... it could be a possibility. Anna seems... a little extremely glorifying, but I guess it is a possibility. I really hope it's not God, because that's just *too* easy.

Or maybe there is some reason Lucifer did so, that he hadn't explained... maybe he realized he wouldn't get Sam's consent so fast? And that if he allowed Dean to come to harm, then he wouldn't get Sam's consent ever? Because Lucifer wanted to do it the "honest" way? (Since he's making it so clear that he doesn't lie, etc., but that Sam will want to be possessed by him....)

I'd honestly like it to be revealed that it is Lucifer, after some twists and turns that keep us going. That would be thematically satisfying and in tune with SPN's tendency to undo dichotomies of good and evil, and also would lead to much future angsting.

Hmm. Long comment is Long! These things are very on my mind :)

eta: because I can spell, really :D

[yaycoffee.livejournal.com]

Yes. I thought this, too. Why would Lucifer send Sam away (and save Michael's vessel) by getting them out of the chapel? Logic fail there, Raf.

[lola-thursday.livejournal.com]

Unless he needed to take a time out, first, in order to win over Sam? Maybe he needed to regroup? Even with Castiel, we see that the process of winning over your host and preparing them takes time. So... that could explain it, possibly. Or not. Too soon to bemoan a logic fail, though, I think! Because it probably wasn't Lucifer at all, as much as I'd like it to be!

[norwich36.livejournal.com]

I partly want it to be the Trickster because I would really like SPN to address the cosmology question a little more directly--specifically how all the other gods fit into a world where apparently there is (or was once) a Judeo-Christian-Muslim-style God.

Your comment doesn't even come close to qualifying as long, btw.

[lola-thursday.livejournal.com]

I partly want it to be the Trickster because I would really like SPN to address the cosmology question a little more directly--specifically how all the other gods fit into a world where apparently there is (or was once) a Judeo-Christian-Muslim-style God

Yes, absolutely! And this is the only reason I might want them to give a stab at representing (the Judeo-Christian) God... but it seems to me so tricky to do so. But I would love for them to continue to play with the Judeo Christian mythology while acknowledging that SPN's verse has previously encompassed a polytheistic world view.

Your comment doesn't even come close to qualifying as long, btw.

Heh. Well, yes. Prior to a full cup of tea (and then a coffee...) it seemed immense. In retrospect, not so much :D